Church WithOut Walls International-Europe
  • Home
    • ANBI
    • Privacy Verklaring
  • DE
    • Weekly Thoughts (D) Wöchentliche Gedanken >
      • Weekly Thoughts (D) Wöchentliche Gedanken - PDF
  • EN
    • Weekly Thoughts >
      • WEEKLY THOUGHTS >
        • John's Monthly Newsletter
      • Weekly Thoughts serie in PDF format
    • About John Fenn
    • About Wil & Ank Kleinmeulman
    • Books written by Ank Kleinmeulman >
      • About Ank - author
  • ES
    • PENSAMIENTOS SEMANALES (Weekly Thoughts) John Fenn >
      • PENSAMIENTOS SEMANALES (PDF)
  • FR
    • Pensées Hebdomadaires
    • PDF à lire et/ou imprimer
    • A propos de John Fenn
    • A propos de Wil & Ank Kleinmeulman
    • Vidéo en anglais
    • Nous contacter
  • FI
    • Viikottaisia ajatuksia >
      • WEEKLY THOUGHTS / Viikottaisia ajatuksia
      • Weekly Thoughts / Viikottaisia ajatuksia - PDF
    • John Fennistä
    • TV7
  • L
    • LV
    • LT >
      • Weekly Thoughts (LT) Savaitės Mintys >
        • E-Book
      • Straipsniai >
        • Kaip mes suprantame, koks turi būti surinkimas
        • Krikštai
        • Kaip veikia 5 tarnavimo dovanos namų surinkimuose?
        • Grįžimas prie paprasto tikėjimo
        • Garbinimas
        • Namų surinkimai Naujajame Testamente
        • Išgelbėjimas
        • Tikėjimo išpažinimas
        • Kaip prasidėjo CWOWI?
        • Dažnai pasitaikantys klausimai
      • Video LT
  • NL
    • Weekly Thoughts - nederlands >
      • WEEKLY THOUGHTS (NL) Wekelijkse Gedachten >
        • Weekly Thoughts NL pdf
    • Over / bio van John Fenn
    • Over / bio Wil & Ank
    • Wat wij geloven
    • Onderwijs - MP3
    • Boeken van Ank Kleinmeulman
    • Doneren / gift overmaken?
    • Conferentie >
      • Conferentie LT - 2025
    • Artikelen >
      • Hoe “Church Without Walls International” is ontstaan
      • Hoe een samenkomst van een CWOW huisgemeente eruit ziet
      • Waarom samenkomen in een huis?
      • Wat is een huiskerk en een huiskerk netwerk?
      • HuisKerken: Waarom – Wat – en Hoe?
      • Ank deelt over Wat & Hoe van Huiskerken (VIDEO'S)
  • PL
  • PT
    • "O pensamento da semana em Português"
    • PT-pdf
  • RO
    • Gânduri săptămânale >
      • Gânduri săptămânale - PDF
  • RU
    • Джон Фенн
    • Сид Рот «Это сверхъестественно»
  • Donate
  • Events
  • TV
  • Contact

Submission and authority 1 of 3:Control issues, 1 of 3

12/9/2023

0 Comments

 
Hi all,
​
I was hired by a college campus ministry in 1981 to bring balance to their staff and members. They had become involved in 'The Shepherding Movement'. That was a mentoring program that soon turned into a program where church members could not make any life decision without permission from church leadership. Soon there was so much hurt, it just fell apart. 
 
A little history, because it's still around today in different forms
The 'shepherding' became so controlling some church leaders were telling people who to marry, or break up with someone they loved because 'they had a word from the Lord', or 'it didn't bear witness', and other such things invoking God to support their counsel. 
 
Soon, the whole movement fell apart. The college ministry and church fell apart and that's why they asked me to bring balance. Nationally, many churches and individuals had their lives destroyed with much hurt and confusion. Many people fell away from the Lord, many marriages that never should have been, that had been put together through the manipulation of elders, ended in divorce. 
 
That off-balance teaching and practice remains alive and well in many churches to this day. Some 15 years after that college campus ministry, when I was on staff with a mega-church, a young, unmarried woman who was a student at the Bible school where I was Director, asked to talk to me. She felt condemned for talking to a church leader who wasn't part of her church, but she wanted someone 'neutral' to talk to about her own pastor's teaching - she needed help. 
 
From the pulpit her pastor had said that anyone who went to church somewhere else was opening themselves up to the devil's attack. 
 
He had said if they aren't there at every service at his church they are opening themselves to the devil's attack. Today we see this type of thing with online ministries as well, telling people if they don't sign on to watch the next meeting, they are opening themselves up to the devil. If they don't give money to their cause, they are opening themselves up to the devil. They don't want to take a chance of 'missing God' so they better tune in, or they are opening themselves up to the devil. And many other such means of manipulation involving and keep people in fear of both God and the devil. 
 
But inside herself, this young woman was conflicted. She knew even though God was invoked by her pastor and leaders, something wasn't right with the idea that if she got out from under their 'covering' she was opening herself to attack, because she realized, she too had Christ in her. Isn't He enough? Something was wrong she felt, that she and Christ in her couldn't make decisions for her life. Something didn't sit well inside her at the idea she had to submit all decisions to the leadership for permission or 'a word' for direction. 
 
She had entered into the 'mentoring' program in her church... 
...with an elder in that church who was at least 20 years older than her, and married. The mentoring program had turned into a means to control her, and she felt there might even be some hidden sexual motive for this leader to take charge of her life's decisions. She knew she was being manipulated, but the leadership always showed chapter and verse, so she didn't want to sin against God, nor open herself to the devil.  
 
Her story includes most of the elements we see in church manipulation today: Using God to justify immoral or unethical behavior, taking control over people's decision-making rights, making the person they control feel they would be offending God if they disobeyed their mentor, and having control over another's emotions in the name of God, making lust, fantasy, or other motives part of the dynamic between mentor and the mentored. 
 
In times past and present they talk of the elders 'covering' someone, and of 'covenant relationships'. I've heard of 'prophecy' over someone that included telling someone 'thus says the Lord', but always the prophecy comes from the pastor or elder.
 
You don't want to miss God - fear based
Submission and authority are often topics of small groups, always set up as a pyramid structure with one at the top telling others what they should or should not do, and always invoking God in their counsel. (See my book, Return of the First Church for more on the pyramid structure of the auditorium church)
 
I've heard many stories of pastors saying people who left 'their church', have demons, commanding everyone in the church to shun the former members. 
 
Did Jesus act this way in the gospels?
In John 6:66-67 when Jesus spoke a difficult to understand parable which offended many, He asked of the 12:"Are you too going to leave me?" He didn't tell them what to do, He simply asked.
 
When the Rich Young Ruler of Matthew 19:16-23 left Jesus, did the Lord run after Him? In Luke 9:59-62 two men said they wanted to follow Jesus. One said he first wanted to attend a funeral, and the other said he wanted to first go home to say goodbye. Did Jesus run after either? No. He just commented to each the cost of discipleship, and then let them make the decision. 
 
Jesus is always like that. He will always show us deep in our hearts the consequences of each choice we are thinking of making, and then letting us and Him in us choose. Jesus said the Holy Spirit will 'lead you into all truth'. He doesn't drive us from behind using fear as a motive. He leads, goes ahead of us, and asks us to follow. 
 
Next week I'll share signs of spiritual manipulation, coupled with the balanced of each of those signs, so we can compare God's way with the perversion the devil puts on people. 
 
Until then, blessings,
John Fenn
http://www.cwowi.org and email me at [email protected]
 
 

0 Comments



Leave a Reply.

    Picture

      John Fenn

      If you want to subscribe

    Archives

    June 2025
    May 2025
    April 2025
    March 2025
    February 2025
    January 2025
    December 2024
    November 2024
    October 2024
    September 2024
    August 2024
    July 2024
    June 2024
    May 2024
    April 2024
    March 2024
    February 2024
    January 2024
    December 2023
    November 2023
    October 2023
    September 2023
    August 2023
    July 2023
    June 2023
    May 2023
    April 2023
    March 2023
    February 2023
    January 2023
    December 2022
    November 2022
    October 2022
    September 2022
    August 2022
    July 2022
    June 2022
    May 2022
    April 2022
    March 2022
    February 2022
    January 2022
    December 2021
    November 2021
    October 2021
    September 2021
    August 2021
    July 2021
    June 2021
    May 2021
    April 2021
    March 2021
    February 2021
    January 2021
    December 2020
    November 2020
    October 2020
    September 2020
    August 2020
    July 2020
    June 2020
    May 2020
    April 2020
    March 2020
    February 2020
    January 2020
    December 2019
    November 2019
    October 2019
    September 2019
    August 2019
    July 2019
    June 2019
    May 2019
    April 2019
    March 2019
    February 2019
    January 2019
    December 2018
    November 2018
    October 2018
    September 2018
    August 2018
    July 2018
    June 2018
    May 2018
    April 2018
    March 2018
    February 2018
    January 2018
    December 2017
    November 2017
    October 2017
    September 2017
    August 2017
    July 2017
    June 2017
    May 2017
    April 2017
    March 2017
    February 2017
    January 2017
    December 2016
    November 2016
    October 2016
    September 2016
    August 2016
    July 2016
    June 2016
    May 2016
    April 2016
    March 2016
    February 2016
    January 2016
    December 2015
    November 2015
    October 2015
    September 2015
    August 2015
    July 2015
    June 2015
    May 2015
    April 2015
    March 2015
    February 2015
    January 2015
    December 2014
    November 2014
    October 2014
    September 2014
    August 2014
    July 2014
    June 2014
    May 2014
    April 2014
    March 2014
    February 2014
    January 2014
    December 2013
    November 2013
    October 2013
    September 2013
    August 2013
    July 2013
    June 2013
    May 2013
    April 2013
    March 2013
    February 2013
    January 2013
    December 2012
    November 2012
    October 2012
    September 2012
    August 2012
    July 2012
    June 2012

    RSS Feed

Church WithOut Walls International.eu (C) 2025
to donate
Photo from widakso