Hi all,
I'm interrupting my series on Experiencing the Father's Presence to offer some post-election thoughts. Most will recall this from my earlier Weekly Thoughts and my e-newsletter in September of this year:
"I shared a few weeks ago in this space a small part of what the Father told me about the election. I shared this part: "As it stands now, Romney will win the election and the Republicans will take the Senate."
"But I didn't share the rest of what He said because some of what He said hadn't taken place yet. He actually continued talking, telling me who Mr. Romney needed to pick as a running mate to win because that state would prove to be important in the election, and what would happen if he didn't choose that person."
"I only told 2 others at the time what He said, and another since then...but I will report to you that Mr. Romney chose someone other than who the Father commented on that day, so I continue to pray for our country as the outcome is unclear to me at this point. The Father has remained silent about it since then, and usually that means what He said last, stands. Thus the call to prayer."
As a few people know who emailed me back and asked, the Father had told me if he wanted to win he would need to pick Rubio, as the Latino vote would be very important in the election. What He told me in August proved true, as seen in this analysis Presidential and Senate races: http://nbclatino.com/2012/11/06/record-latino-vote-key-to-obamas-re-election/
Where now?
Some will remember what I've shared in this space, going back to 2003, when the Father told me: "Watch out when Hillary takes office." At that time she was already a US Senator, so the only 'take office' beyond that was Secretary of State, VP, and President.
Prophecy has a way of being fulfilled in shades of gray, like a person standing on the shore line getting their feet wet and saying 'I got wet', but later wading into deep water and saying again 'I got wet'. Both statements are true, but a matter of degree.
In this same way John the Baptist fulfilled the role of Elijah preparing the way of the Lord, which fulfilled prophecy. Yet Revelation 11 makes it clear 1 of the 2 witnesses is Elijah literally coming to prepare the way of the Lord right before His 2nd Coming. A matter of degree in the fulfillment of that prophecy.
It is safe to say when Hillary became Secretary of State we entered the first days of 'watch out when Hillary takes office', but even back then I pondered the ultimate fulfillment of that word, would be her as President in the 2016 election. Let us watch and pray, for if that does happen, then the 'watch out' we have seen thus far, will seem like toes dipped in the ocean in my example above, with the 2016-2020 being full fulfillment.
Tipping point - prophetically speaking word from the Father
Back in the Kerry/Bush election you'll recall I shared in this space something the Father told me then, when I told Him the spirit was different in that race than I'd felt before, and I asked what it was: "It is the spirit of socialism. It can be delayed, but it won't be stopped." I asked where it came from and He said: "It came from Europe, for there are those in this country who want to make this nation like the European Socialist model, but that is not what I've called this country to."
Folks - with the US Census Bureau reporting that 49% of Americans living in a home that gets direct monetary benefits from the federal government, we have reached the 'tipping point' (that is the phrase the Father spoke to me) towards socialism.
Tyler's (Tytler's) quote says exactly where we are spiritually and politically:
Alexander Tyler (Tytler) 1747-1813
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
AND
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.” Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859)
What now?
I've also shared how the Father told me to be praying about next year - civil unrest, natural disasters, economic difficulties - and I continue to pray. People just don't know what is coming on this nation and the world, I hope it can be avoided or at least made less severe. One example the Father's told me is that Russia will move in to the vacuum created by a retreating America, and exert much influence, and so much more (I've shared that in this space previously, you'll recall).
But none of these things move me, for the Father's Kingdom is most assuredly bringing the kingdoms of this world to Himself, with the eventual outcome that man's efforts at governing without God will be brought to nought. Let us not get rapture happy, let us prepare ourselves for the transitions ahead. We know the times and seasons, and are not afraid.
When the Lord appeared to me in 2001 and told me to start CWOWI and I asked Him why a house church network, He replied: "Be a resource for them. It's against the time to come, a resource against the time to come."
I am not like the children's story of Chicken Little, running around the barnyard saying 'The sky is falling, the sky is falling', but I am saying know the seasons, know the times in which we live.
Historically speaking, the body of Christ grows fastest when there is economic strain and persecution, and the body meets in homes in small groups - not a miniature of the traditional, but a true home based body-led church connected to and in relationship with a network of other believers.
Remember this?
I've shared in this space a couple times in years past how in 2005 the Father spoke to me. I was driving along thinking back on the previous 10 years, 1995-2005, and how I hardly recognized the country that day (2005) from those days. Back then the issue was (only) Monica Lewinsky, and since then we had the attacks of 9/11 and subsequent war in the Mid-east.
The Father spoke to me: "You say you don't recognize the country now for what it has become in the last 10 years? I tell you the truth when I say you won't recognize it again in another 10 years." (That would take us through 2015.)
What is happening in the economy and culture of the US is also happening in much of the world, and the resource of home based church and the strong relationships are a safety net, a source of strength, and a catalyst for personal growth. It is church as our New Testament describes, balanced in Word & Spirit.
If you want to be more independent of the world's economy, start entering into God's economy - from giving financially to giving of yourself in terms of doing church as the Bible describes - home church, relationships, and moving those closest to you in the faith up the list in priority so they become closest to you in life.
The Father (heaven) relates to us through the work of Jesus on the cross, but money is on the earth, therefore earth-bound laws apply. And that is why giving is so very important in moving in God's economy. When Jesus said in Luke 6:38 if we give it will be given back to us later, pressed down, shaken together, running over - He indicated giving to God never leaves our lives, it merely enters into our future to be a provision for us at a future date. That makes giving to God an investment, not an expense.
That is true of all giving to the Lord and His people - time, resources, money, work, wisdom - giving to others enters into your future to be a provision at a future time. That is why home based relationships and church are a resource now and for the future - it requires you to give yourself and of yourself.
Don't write me off now
Christians will listen to the news even though opinions expressed are often 180 degrees from what they believe, yet go back to that same news show the next night. And they will discuss or even argue with a friend over a cup of coffee on all things political and religious, but not end their friendship.
But emails provide a sense of being impersonal that some have knee jerk reactions to what I or others may write - they'll read 200 emails over 2 years but 1 thing written they disagree with and 'unsubscribe' is immediate. Grow up. Don't do that. What I'm saying is of the Spirit.
For whether you agree with me or not isn't important, what is important is that I am telling you as an apostle and prophet, there are difficult times ahead, and what I say here is true and right. When the doctor wants to give you a shot, you don't think, "He is just giving me this shot because he makes money from the drug companies" - No, you realize he wants you healthy!
So don't read into my urging you to be involved in house church and start giving of your time, money, and abilities to others in a regular and disciplined way as self-serving. I have no ulterior motives other than to say we need each other, and if you are a giver now, you will be a giver then instead of standing in line wishing you had Christian friends to share resources with - I share what the Father tells me to benefit the body of Christ.
There is so much more, but these are exciting times, we are seeing such anointing, such manifestation of the Lord in our meetings...truly amazing...He is so good. When you focus on what the Lord is doing it completely dominates you with peace and excitement! A return to the series next week, blessings,
John Fenn
www.cwowi.org
UPCOMING CONFERENCE IN THE NETHERLANDS APRIL 2013
I'm interrupting my series on Experiencing the Father's Presence to offer some post-election thoughts. Most will recall this from my earlier Weekly Thoughts and my e-newsletter in September of this year:
"I shared a few weeks ago in this space a small part of what the Father told me about the election. I shared this part: "As it stands now, Romney will win the election and the Republicans will take the Senate."
"But I didn't share the rest of what He said because some of what He said hadn't taken place yet. He actually continued talking, telling me who Mr. Romney needed to pick as a running mate to win because that state would prove to be important in the election, and what would happen if he didn't choose that person."
"I only told 2 others at the time what He said, and another since then...but I will report to you that Mr. Romney chose someone other than who the Father commented on that day, so I continue to pray for our country as the outcome is unclear to me at this point. The Father has remained silent about it since then, and usually that means what He said last, stands. Thus the call to prayer."
As a few people know who emailed me back and asked, the Father had told me if he wanted to win he would need to pick Rubio, as the Latino vote would be very important in the election. What He told me in August proved true, as seen in this analysis Presidential and Senate races: http://nbclatino.com/2012/11/06/record-latino-vote-key-to-obamas-re-election/
Where now?
Some will remember what I've shared in this space, going back to 2003, when the Father told me: "Watch out when Hillary takes office." At that time she was already a US Senator, so the only 'take office' beyond that was Secretary of State, VP, and President.
Prophecy has a way of being fulfilled in shades of gray, like a person standing on the shore line getting their feet wet and saying 'I got wet', but later wading into deep water and saying again 'I got wet'. Both statements are true, but a matter of degree.
In this same way John the Baptist fulfilled the role of Elijah preparing the way of the Lord, which fulfilled prophecy. Yet Revelation 11 makes it clear 1 of the 2 witnesses is Elijah literally coming to prepare the way of the Lord right before His 2nd Coming. A matter of degree in the fulfillment of that prophecy.
It is safe to say when Hillary became Secretary of State we entered the first days of 'watch out when Hillary takes office', but even back then I pondered the ultimate fulfillment of that word, would be her as President in the 2016 election. Let us watch and pray, for if that does happen, then the 'watch out' we have seen thus far, will seem like toes dipped in the ocean in my example above, with the 2016-2020 being full fulfillment.
Tipping point - prophetically speaking word from the Father
Back in the Kerry/Bush election you'll recall I shared in this space something the Father told me then, when I told Him the spirit was different in that race than I'd felt before, and I asked what it was: "It is the spirit of socialism. It can be delayed, but it won't be stopped." I asked where it came from and He said: "It came from Europe, for there are those in this country who want to make this nation like the European Socialist model, but that is not what I've called this country to."
Folks - with the US Census Bureau reporting that 49% of Americans living in a home that gets direct monetary benefits from the federal government, we have reached the 'tipping point' (that is the phrase the Father spoke to me) towards socialism.
Tyler's (Tytler's) quote says exactly where we are spiritually and politically:
Alexander Tyler (Tytler) 1747-1813
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
AND
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.” Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859)
What now?
I've also shared how the Father told me to be praying about next year - civil unrest, natural disasters, economic difficulties - and I continue to pray. People just don't know what is coming on this nation and the world, I hope it can be avoided or at least made less severe. One example the Father's told me is that Russia will move in to the vacuum created by a retreating America, and exert much influence, and so much more (I've shared that in this space previously, you'll recall).
But none of these things move me, for the Father's Kingdom is most assuredly bringing the kingdoms of this world to Himself, with the eventual outcome that man's efforts at governing without God will be brought to nought. Let us not get rapture happy, let us prepare ourselves for the transitions ahead. We know the times and seasons, and are not afraid.
When the Lord appeared to me in 2001 and told me to start CWOWI and I asked Him why a house church network, He replied: "Be a resource for them. It's against the time to come, a resource against the time to come."
I am not like the children's story of Chicken Little, running around the barnyard saying 'The sky is falling, the sky is falling', but I am saying know the seasons, know the times in which we live.
Historically speaking, the body of Christ grows fastest when there is economic strain and persecution, and the body meets in homes in small groups - not a miniature of the traditional, but a true home based body-led church connected to and in relationship with a network of other believers.
Remember this?
I've shared in this space a couple times in years past how in 2005 the Father spoke to me. I was driving along thinking back on the previous 10 years, 1995-2005, and how I hardly recognized the country that day (2005) from those days. Back then the issue was (only) Monica Lewinsky, and since then we had the attacks of 9/11 and subsequent war in the Mid-east.
The Father spoke to me: "You say you don't recognize the country now for what it has become in the last 10 years? I tell you the truth when I say you won't recognize it again in another 10 years." (That would take us through 2015.)
What is happening in the economy and culture of the US is also happening in much of the world, and the resource of home based church and the strong relationships are a safety net, a source of strength, and a catalyst for personal growth. It is church as our New Testament describes, balanced in Word & Spirit.
If you want to be more independent of the world's economy, start entering into God's economy - from giving financially to giving of yourself in terms of doing church as the Bible describes - home church, relationships, and moving those closest to you in the faith up the list in priority so they become closest to you in life.
The Father (heaven) relates to us through the work of Jesus on the cross, but money is on the earth, therefore earth-bound laws apply. And that is why giving is so very important in moving in God's economy. When Jesus said in Luke 6:38 if we give it will be given back to us later, pressed down, shaken together, running over - He indicated giving to God never leaves our lives, it merely enters into our future to be a provision for us at a future date. That makes giving to God an investment, not an expense.
That is true of all giving to the Lord and His people - time, resources, money, work, wisdom - giving to others enters into your future to be a provision at a future time. That is why home based relationships and church are a resource now and for the future - it requires you to give yourself and of yourself.
Don't write me off now
Christians will listen to the news even though opinions expressed are often 180 degrees from what they believe, yet go back to that same news show the next night. And they will discuss or even argue with a friend over a cup of coffee on all things political and religious, but not end their friendship.
But emails provide a sense of being impersonal that some have knee jerk reactions to what I or others may write - they'll read 200 emails over 2 years but 1 thing written they disagree with and 'unsubscribe' is immediate. Grow up. Don't do that. What I'm saying is of the Spirit.
For whether you agree with me or not isn't important, what is important is that I am telling you as an apostle and prophet, there are difficult times ahead, and what I say here is true and right. When the doctor wants to give you a shot, you don't think, "He is just giving me this shot because he makes money from the drug companies" - No, you realize he wants you healthy!
So don't read into my urging you to be involved in house church and start giving of your time, money, and abilities to others in a regular and disciplined way as self-serving. I have no ulterior motives other than to say we need each other, and if you are a giver now, you will be a giver then instead of standing in line wishing you had Christian friends to share resources with - I share what the Father tells me to benefit the body of Christ.
There is so much more, but these are exciting times, we are seeing such anointing, such manifestation of the Lord in our meetings...truly amazing...He is so good. When you focus on what the Lord is doing it completely dominates you with peace and excitement! A return to the series next week, blessings,
John Fenn
www.cwowi.org
UPCOMING CONFERENCE IN THE NETHERLANDS APRIL 2013
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